If the rules-based order has been ruptured, what comes after? “Global un-order,” says Mark Leonard in his new book, Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail. Are states responding quickly enough to this new world? Leonard distinguishes between “architects” such as the United States and Europe, which try to reimpose their established blueprints, and “artisans” such as China, which adapt, improvise, and repurpose what already exists. Leonard, who is the director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, will join FP Live’s Ravi Agrawal to explore how Western policymakers should adjust to the new un-order.
Host and Guests
Mark Leonard
Director, European Council on Foreign Relations
Mark Leonard is the co-founder and director of the European Council on Foreign Relations and author, most recently, of Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail. He is the host of the podcast Mark Leonards’s World in 30 Minutes and a columnist for Project Syndicate.
Mark Leonard is the co-founder and director of the European Council on Foreign Relations and author, most recently, of Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail. He is the host of the podcast Mark Leonards’s World in 30 Minutes and a columnist for Project Syndicate.
Ravi Agrawal
Editor in chief, Foreign Policy
Ravi Agrawal is the editor in chief of Foreign Policy and host of FP Live. Before joining FP in 2018, Agrawal worked at CNN for more than a decade, including as New Delhi bureau chief and correspondent. He is the author of India Connected: How the Smartphone Is Transforming the World’s Largest Democracy.
Ravi Agrawal is the editor in chief of Foreign Policy and host of FP Live. Before joining FP in 2018, Agrawal worked at CNN for more than a decade, including as New Delhi bureau chief and correspondent. He is the author of India Connected: How the Smartphone Is Transforming the World’s Largest Democracy.
